started with the face, it's in dire need of retopologizing.

New motor

Just finished this up (for now). Something screwy with Maya Vector not rendering all the wireframe. Anyone know how to fix it when it does this shit?

>>279101
use mental ray contour instead

>>279056
YU no dinamesh it ?

>>279103
isn't dynamesh part of the R version of zbrush? if that's the case then i don't have it. i don't mind modelling how i do, i need to be more efficient with my work-flow, at the moment it's not very good.


did a different version, gave him more fat, he seems a bit too overly muscular so i thought i made it look a bit more natural...ish.

>>279057

What's with all this stupid low poly shit you are modeling?

Trying to make my first weapon. Pretty happy with the fact that I'm fairly new to 3D modelling.

It's in its 15th hour... perhaps 24MP was a trifle excessive.

>>279148
lol it doesnt even look good

>>279152
Care to be more detailed? I'm trying to get better.

Speed model in blender. Probably won't do anything else with it.
1hour 45mins
1354 polys

>>279148
>12% of 6912 x 3456

Make it exciting, it's about as fun to look at as a box of turds, the quality is terrible, why 24 mp, what the fuck would you even need that for, make it wallpaper size because that's the very most anyone is going to look at it on. Learn to critique yourself and look at other peoples work like it and always go under the assumption that your work is shit so you can find way to make it better, everyone should.

h-h-here I go, I throw myself at the wolves now! This is an environment for an animation I've been working on for the past 3 and a half months.

What do?

>>279195
Abuse:
>Use Architecture seriously (no, really)
>Build everything from a street, not the other way around (modularity for the win brah)
>Buildings aren't just boxes, you need focal points (see abuse #1)
>Your entire scene needs a focal point as well (no, 7 buildings are not a focal point) (see abuse #1)
>Bro, your lighting, y?
>Use R-E-F-E-R-E-N-C-E (see abuse #1)
>Mesh smoothing stools aren't toys, if you're mixing highpoly with lowpoly people are going to notice (see abuse #1)
>I could go into a whole set of abuses about your texture work, but simply unwrap with care; and hammer out textures in ps

Not Abuse:
>Good use of scale
>Interesting use of modularity
>Decent color combination

Just because it's for an animation, doesn't mean the scene shouldn't be detailed, on the contrary it should even more detailed than the other videogame based models you see on /3/. They're being pre-rendered in an engine, you have to do more work to be noticed.

I suggest making an account on CG textures to enhance your texture workflow.

Let your choice of focal points tell a story motha fucka. Shit's just as important as an animation itself.

>>279101

Yep, can achieve the same look in MR, and better contours.

>>279195
I would rip apart your work and put it through walls, but just because you were modest, I'll be extremely nice to you. The first thing you should do is to collect referance images. There are alot of interesting and eye appealing animations and movies for this (The first examples came to my mind are The crow, Tim burton animation films and alot of good stuff you can find at vimeo) Then you should analyze what makes a scene appealing. As this >>279203 anon said, %70 of the trick is to give good lighting. It can change a scene dramatically from a dull, boring place to an epic, decent environment.
Aside from all the technical stuff, your works needs alot of work. The architecture looks blobby and unrealistic. You should get rid of the blurred yellow lights scattered across the background, and the background itself too. Architecture needs details, and street can be more crowded and colorful.
Don't let these suggestions and advice stack up in your mind. We all started without knowing the tips and tricks, and we all did poorly done renders at first. Also ignore the trolls who just shit on your work without any constructive criticism, they either have no idea about 3dcg or they are just angry.
So keep it up.

>>279215
So it seems right now I need to do the following:

1. Go back to the reference I've done, making new modular assets now to help improve the scene.
2. Work on lighting more, I'm going for a dramatic sunset of sorts, got some tutorials up on that now, seems to work when we're up close to the character. The lighting is set up in a way that lets me cheat in a secondary "shadow character" that I created using flash. The animation is done for him.
3. Do something about those facades I had set up in the background.
4. In response to the blobby architecture: that was intentional actually. I was attempting to go for a more painterly look to the animation, however it seems to not come across as that. Any tips in regards for that?
5. Can't really "crowd-up" the streets. Don't have the time to make characters, but more modular assets would help wouldn't it?

>>279180
>>279193
I didn't need to use that computer for a day, so why not? means I can zoom in real close and see all the errors

>>279193
Not sure if you understand quite how inexperienced I am
>Make it exciting
Yeah I understand that. kinda boring subject.
>the quality is terrible
How so? not enough polys?
>Learn to critique yourself and look at other peoples work
See, I have no idea how to critique myself nor other people. I guess that's something one learns by doing.

>>279226
I don't think he really means make it crowded with Characters as much as it means make it look alive, add dirt or anything. A story is told by the placement of objects and the condition of the world. As for the Painterly look, I'd avoid it all together.
As for the lighting, it really is EVERYTHING. I mean you can make a box look interesting if you light it right. If I were you though and if this is for a demo-reel I'd make it all about the animation, too many times I see people make shit things for their animation and all sorts of weird stuff, but it's not their forte, so it looks like shit and that's all that is focused on. If you make a scene that is bland as in it doesn't have a lot of objects or much really and you spend time making a simple set that looks good to show case strictly the animation, it looks much better. Simple well lit scenes look much better than a complex, crap scene. That's my opinion anyways.

>>279137
They just need to look cool for now.

>>279226
>4. In response to the blobby architecture: that was intentional actually. I was attempting to go for a more painterly look to the animation, however it seems to not come across as that. Any tips in regards for that?

I thought you might say that, which is why I stand by my point of smoothing being a tool, not a toy. A stylized look doesn't come out of stacking modifiers, but the mesh itself. Again, I'd like to say it's definitely seen as.... intentional, but not in the best possible way. You see, what we meant was the different looks for 3D models don't come from actual copying of the medium they might be symbolized to be made from, in your case clay or paints. In reality, this would be done in major texture and rendering work. A more sophisticated render like vray, maxwell, mental ray, (not saying you should force yourself to learn all of these, just noting) would be capable of this.

Let me explain further with example. I've included pictures of popular and professional cartoony 3D and 2D works to explain my point. I'll start with the point it's about the mesh, not the smoothing. Note, I'm not berating you on your use of smoothing, but educating you on comparison. Look at the box enumerated 7. You'll see her hair coming off as very cartoonish, as does her dress. But note this comes from the definition of creases and contours on the mesh. Care was taken in deciding how the model would be constructed in reality, and then extrapolating. Look at picture 8. The architecture is blobby, but it still appears as though it is what it's trying to be. It has a basis in reality. It was the features and contours to define it (same with picture 3, 4, 2, and 1). Look at pictures 5 and 6 as well. They appear to be paintings, correct? Actually they're photos, and that illustrates the power of computer enhancements.

>>279226
>1. Go back to the reference I've done, making new modular assets now to help improve the scene.
A few things I'd like to point out, as the first abuser, and the reference poster. Most important of them is don't just rely on your on references. That's how a lot of college grad 3D guys just head towards failure. Your biggest asset is Google, Bing, CG Texture, and other reference gathering sites. Don't just look at other people's work (although it's a great place to start) also look at real life references as well. All the best cartoon pieces you see hail from real references. Never be afraid to add realism to a cartoony piece. A lot of new people think cartoon bits are easier than regular gritty overly complex sets, but really they're not. Don't let the minimalism of cartoon work detract from the potential of the final piece. Minimalism for cartooning is a cop out, minimalism for aesthetics is a conceptualization. A lot of pro's who do cartoon work, draw from reality. You don't work with less and add more, that's just difficult. Go crazy with realism and render a few shots. What detracts from the focal point? What makes the scene too busy? What can put in a texture? What adds to the focal point? Just like in characters, proportions in cartoon scene work is a must. Exaggerate lamp posts, or minimalize window features. Also, don't worry too much about modularity in non game work.

Of course, this isn't to say you should go full unreal tournament in your work, just remember the back of your scene should be minimal, and become increasingly interesting as it comes up. Also to note, places of importantance should be minimal. I'm sure you can imagine the difference between two people in front of a minimal background (think disney, attention to characters) and highly complex backgrounds (think videogames, attention to scene).

Diffuse + normal map.

>>279245
holy fuck dude that is terribly textured.

>>279245

>that face

>>279226
Same guy who keeps spamming past the 2000 character limits.

>2. Work on lighting more, I'm going for a dramatic sunset of sorts, got some tutorials up on that now, seems to work when we're up close to the character. The lighting is set up in a way that lets me cheat in a secondary "shadow character" that I created using flash. The animation is done for him.
I would suggest not use spot or omni lights, unless you really know what you're doing. Look at some sun based lights, as well as skylights. Currently your light looks light it's coming from a giant source below the horizon, yet still as bright as if the sun where at it's zenith. This makes your set look like a model instead of a town. Your background lighting shows great direction, as does your background. The colors and positions are key, and should guide how you relight.
>3. Do something about those facades I had set up in the background.
Keep them, it adds to your piece, but perhaps animate them separately in After Effects.
>5. Can't really "crowd-up" the streets. Don't have the time to make characters, but more modular assets would help wouldn't it?
It depends, does this impede your animation? Does it take away the appearance of the piece? If so, you should look into it, if not ignore it. You can have all the scene pieces in the world, but background characters could take that even further.

Depends on what you're going for.

That's all for now.

>>279247
>>279246
samefag

>>279245
not too bad

>>279215
Where is that pic from ? looks Tronish

>>279245
I don't know what these two mean >>279246, >>279247

Your piece looks great, and would fit in any 90's zombie based game. Creepy, well proportioned, looks great for rigging. I mean sure, the texture aren't next-gen (512, or 1024?), but minus 1 or 2 points this is a great portfolio piece. Keep up the good work!

There are people who actually know about game art that browse this forum as you can see, ignore the ignorance of the plebeians.

I don't have any work worth showing right now, so here's some renders.

>>279245
Looks good, apart from the groin.

It looks like there is absolutely nothing there just because you didn't want it to look like a dick. It needs something there, at least some texture variation.

>>279252
Why? He's probably going to be animated to be hunched over in a dark environment. Besides, we don't even know the backstory, why is it human?

>>279248
>>279241
>>279237
>>279230
>>279226
>>279215
>>279203

And people say /3/ is very hostile...

>>279252

He'll probably put some clothes on it (at least he said so on Polycount)

>>279256

It's the few angry trolls that ruin it for everybody. There are helpful people around as well.

>>279195

your clock is fucked up you have a 6 where the 4 should be

Zombie guy here >>279245


>>279249
>>279251
>>279252
Thanks for the input, guys. Will rework the textures in a bit. :) Planning on using Maya cloth for both hair and clothes.

>>279249
>they have the same opinion
>samefag

christ summers started early.

Made this in 3ds Max as an attempt to improve myself.

Please tell me what you think, /3/. I'm pretty new to this whole 3d modeling thing and would like some tips.

Also, I'm still using 3ds Max 2008 because that's the only version my school's PC has. Should I upgrade to newer version of max or is it not really necessary?

>>279266
summerfag here. Man are you butthurt.

>>279275
Not bad, try upping those samples.

>>279275
No need to upgrade. The ribbons and shit are annoying as fuck, older maxed are wayyy streamlined. I would say you need to cute unnecessary geometry that doesn't add to the silhouette. May we see the wires?

>>279279
Did you make this? It looks nice. Could be brighter in the midground curve range though. Also, dynamic text bro, dynamic text.

>>279282
I did indeed, thanks man. theres a monthly competition at my college/uni for desktop wallpapers and they removed my last one from the poll! ¬¬

>>279283
Definitely talented work, fuck them.

>>279279
Could you explain what you meant with upping the samples?

>>279280
Yes, of course.

>>279285
Anti alias, cleans up the grain and the edges but will up your render time.

>>279286
I see, thanks!

>>279286
For a minute there I thought it read Idra. Especially on it's right wrist.

>>279289
i did actually make one called idra lol.

>>279286

I really thinkk that this is awesome. I showed it to my father and he was like "Ho dude". This is really a nice work !

What about this texture /3/?

>>279307

need shaders but nice. :)

>>279307

looks "flat" probably has more to do with the model though

>>279307
It looks blurry

>>279318
>>279317
>>279312
>>279307

hurrrrrr not enough samefagging

>>279307
Change the multi-filter in the render globals to Lanczos. Should sharpen the render. Or it could just be cause he's using default lighting.

>>279256
Honestly, if you want good advice, all you have to do is acknowledge your skill level, politely ask for advice, and be humble. People tend to forget that /3/

>>279307

To me it looks like the flatness comes from the lighting. Add some basic diffuse lighting and the texture will come to life. It just hard to determine depth from this image. well done.

>>279426

actually nvm, its lit from behind. idk it does kinda look flat

Seriously, thanks for the inputs guys. I tried a new shader. So how is this one?

>>279437
too much herp and not enough derp

mfw trying to make ambient occlusion visible through refractions
mfw trying to composite that
mfw i don't have UVs so i'm using vertex colours

>>279437
remove eyes on head

>>279437
man the colors blow
for start, make his fingers darker, his fingernails black
his hands should be red only to mid of his forearms and the transition should be very strong sharp, with some spots going further, check
darken the area under his eves and his genitalia region
also why are his teeth white ? make them yellow brown
try ading more green blue and gray to his skin

>>279446
I like his rendition....the red arms and legs are creepy. Yeah, the teeth are too pearly white.

>>279437
the other guy made some good points, but here's what i think you could do.

.what's the reason for the red arms and legs? is it striped flesh? dipped in blood? if it's striped flesh then you need to add is muscles and torn flesh.

.could use with more boils on the skin, and part so the flesh that are covered in a rash.

.Darken the eyes, a mix of black and red will give the impression of bloody sore eyes.

.Redden the gums, he's not entirely.


that's all i can say about it really. needs some specular

>>279437

looks better but the model is shit, the eye just looks slapped onto the chest theres room for the eye socket etc

9H work and i'v got this.
what say you?

>>279248
At long last I'm back, okay, I've got a question:

I want to slap the posters onto the walls of my buildings to help out with the story a bit more, and I'm in the middle of rebuilding my street.

As you can see I've got these shitty shadows being cast from the poster cluster I made last night. How do I get them to adhere properly to my building's wall? Should I just bake them into the texture or can anyone offer me a better solution?

>>279531

are they hovering off the wall?

>>279532
They are, I know colossal failing on my part, how should I go about getting them to stick to the wall cleanly? Should I just bake them into the texture?

>>279534

they should be on planes not boxes

>>279534
if they are JUST in front of the wall, they won't cast a noticeable shadow, yours look like they're a fair way away.

Alternatively you could just disable shadows on those meshes

Bath next to a giant window
Boats dun know bout mah dick

>>279531

>hovering posters
>blurry flat cobblestone road
>ridiculously bad lighting, looks like quake 1
>stain glass window doesn't even look like glass

>>279539

atleast he is doing something. I belive u cant do better.
U can allways prove me wrong if u can.

>>279560

>implying anyone can't do better than nigger's first blender scene

slowly taking form

>>279283
You are immensely talented. Also, those guys have a great sense of mass!

>>279538
Looks good! How long have you been modelling?

>>279283
what program do you use?

>>279570
>>279283

create something according to the latest fad, suddenly most talented person on /3/

you make me sick.

>>279573
Dude, the characters are cute and the way he conveys the thickness of the metal plates is nice. You might want to calm down for a bit.

>>279571
About 2/3 months seriously and about a year before that making /po/ related shit.

I'm enjoying the everloving fuck out of modelling

>>seriously
>>serious
>>ser
>>

>>279580
Is that you, Mr Shiggory Diggington?

>>279437
Honestly, the biggest problem is the textures are telling a weird story.
Why are his arms all blood red with no damage?
Why does he have an eye on his chest?
Why is his face mutilated, why is his nose missing, or his eyes green?

You need to be more realistic about the story you're trying to tell. It's pretty easy, what happened to your character?

If it's an attack/explosion/magic/torture/accident/long since alive/used as a cadaver, they will all have different features that will reflect on the model. Currently, the old age decay/mutilation/torture wounds are all fighting with each to tell a specific story.

If you're going general wear and tear, do it on a grander scale. He looks like he just died, but his face implies otherwise, continuities.

>>279438
>>279444
>>279458
>>279446
all my lol

>>279538
Well, the interior bath model is meh, but the lake and the boats and especially the mountains turned out quite well, congrats!

>>279531
I'm the same guy as before. Basically you can do a few things about this, either you need to make the posters apart of the walls texture (more of a videogame trait), you can also disable shadows on your material. Alternatively if these still bother you, you can model a nail or other place holder and add to the realism. I would do the ladder of course.

>>279604
>Well, the interior bath model is meh, but the lake and the boats and especially the mountains turned out quite well, congrats!

Those... those are pictures.

>>279538
That bath tub in the ground is just an accident waiting to happen. Someone brushing their teeth steps back too far. Or water overflows.

>>279606
Ah you see I was thinking that a nail wouldn't work as well because of two things:

1. The wall has bricks behind the stucco, do nails really work that way?

2. I would imagine some kind of plaster or rubber cement that people paint onto those walls to "paste" the posters onto them would be more adequate.

I think going with just simply baking them in would be best. Since as you can see they don't mesh well together.

Also, I've got til' Sunday before midnight to make this environment "shine". So yeah.

>>279603

Is that thing supposed to be scary? It's not even remotely so, especially in that homosexual stance.

>>279611
Go back to /v/. Just... leave.

>>279610
Well if this might be easier for you, you could think about as whether or not you want to simulate wind with the papers. It would add a lot to your scene, but it would be a lot of work. Texturing would be fine though, adhering to time constraints is always good.

>>279612

Why the fuck would I go to /v/, faggot.

>>279614
You don't know where you are apparently.
>dur thts not even scar-e br0 i dnt liek it als0 mak it animte c00L

>>279615

>durr they are retarded because they don't like my work

It looks like a homosexual zombie that was soaking it's arms and legs in grape juice. I don't exactly know where you are going with this thing, but it's no place good.

>>279617
What? I'm not the guy who made the zombie mesh, I'm the guy who critiqued it. Is that why you've been so hostile, you think I made the model and you're mad I didn't react with submission? Why would I listen to some fag bitching about my critique, I can't even change the stance of the thing in a 2D editor, hence you have no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously, you're the frothy fecal-hole of /3/.

Like I said, go back to /v/, you don't belong here. And the guy you're bitching about doesn't have to take your shit either.

>they didn't like my work
I am THEY faggot. You're not.

>>279603
>>279611
>>279612
>>279614
>>279615
>>279617
>>279621

SHOOTAN GAEMS

in during this bakes like shit

this thread is /3/ as fuck

>>279567
Huh. Well, it's...uh, SOMETHING...

And this thread started so well...

I would appreciate any crits on this. First attempt at hand painted textures.

>>279660
pretty nice, although the seems on the lamp post stick out a mile. Plus do a better render, it's too jagged. And the lamp itself, is it meant to be rusted? i can't tell. if it's not then it'd probably be best if you kept it a blue and highlighted the edges,

>>279525

Really nice, I like the text on the side. Did you start it from a Cylinder ?

>>279525
Sharp edges are bad.
Bevel.

>>279658
>fA
Oh how I fear whats on the other end of that dragon model...

>>279570
>>279572
Thanks man! this robot, tron picture and almost everything else i make is done in softimage, I know there are programs with more stuff but i have known softimage since school. Im 20 now.

Other stuff here incase you wanna browse.
http://www.youtube.com/user/jaw1002?feature=mhee

>>279680
What renderer do you use?

I've been using Softimage for a few years but never really looked into anything besides MR

>>279283

I was just experimenting with 2013's HQ viewport. I highly recommend it. But i always go mental ray.

>>279681 rendered version of image.

>>279680
>inb4 he tirelessly samefags his crappy model and say how "talented" he is.

>>279684
People could be genuinely interested, didn't we just have a fight a few posts up?

>>279684
you need not worry, when people stop asking ill stop posting. Im bound to run out of images sooner or later.

after 4 months break ive continued my model a bit further and just managed to successesfully rig leg and ass a little :)

thanks to this tutorial, i understood weighting instantly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG8ZSXnJegs&feature=related

now that i know rigging much better i might even finish this model as my first finished model! only issue is good texturing...

>>279685
Not with me you didn't. But you posted the exact robot crap long ago, even though that this is a WIP thread. And "some people" said just how talented you are without really criticizing or analyzing your work. Stop posting the same crap over and over again without improving it and if you're going to samefag, atleast be a little more subtle.

>>279684
Plus you forget this is 3DCG you are gonna see alot worse, and people who are far more talented. How about you post something or find another board?

>>279687
Aren't all those edge loops around the cunt unnecessary? I would assume the vertexes would get in the way.

>>279688
I'm not the robot dude, sorry for implying that.

>>279688
eh w/e man. This wont be the last if its just you crying about it.

>>279689
this is for you : >>279688
and it was THAT image you posted like 6 WIP threads before already.

>>279692
You're right, seems im out of images. Good day sirs!!

>>279690

im sure theres lots of unnecessary things on my model

i will look into it later when i rework topology, theres much to be done :)

>>279658

>furaffinity

>>279694
Nice, take a look at http://wiki.polycount.com/BaseMesh for some in software reference, I loved these meshes.

Hi guys. Again thanks for the crits and tips. You have all been most helpful.

To those asking about the story behind the design, well there really isn't much. This started as an anatomy study. I was also watching a lot of The Walking Dead at the time so I figured I'd make a zombie of some sort. I added blood in his limbs because he looked plain without clothes (which I'm trying to avoid to show his chest eye.) I wanted to go in the direction of the Zealot from Warhammer Online. After this I'll start on his lower body garments and accessories. I could also use some tips on the costume.

As for the suggestions: I fixed his teeth, made the fingers darker, added some gray-green color, added specular, made the eyes bloodshot, fixed the lighting, rendered with Lanczos, and overall try to suck less. :D

THANK YOU SO MUCH, GUYS!!!

>>279734

>To those asking about the story behind the design, well there really isn't much.

And thats why it looks shit. You can't just slap an eye on a chest without thinking about its repercussions, was the thing born like that? was it a human who had the eye added? if so by science or magic? etc it all helps to get a better structure and make it more natural

>>279734
Those fingers are really fucking beautiful.

So I'm guessing the clothes will obscure the silliness of the texture? Might I suggest much more skin-blood variation on the hands? They'll be big focal points.

>>279734

I hope you're not planning to use this in your portfolio

>>279734
Did you make this from scratch ? or did you use a base mesh ?

>>279769

9/10, would drink. Ice cubes could be a nice addition.

>>279769
needs more depth of field you neurotic faggot

>>279772
Thanks, I've had highlight problems with icecubes so I decided to leave them out in the end. Now that you've mentioned it, I'll try to add them back again.


>>279773
Haha, I figured that I needed to turn DoF down but I decided to leave it be since it was a 2.5 hour render. I'll be fixing that too.

>>279769
wow...modelling that cylinder must be really hard, you seriously have some skills

>>279775
You don't seem to understand the point of rendering.

And before you say whiskey guy is getting butthurt, I'm >>279773

>>279776
then fuck off and go look at the glowing spheres blenderfaggots render all day. im sure youll enjoy looking at their """renderings"""

>>279778
Back to /b/ with you.

>>279781
oops..meastro of 3d art started speaking...all silence now please...

>>279784
It's funny, because while you throw that sarcastically at me, you were the who started by pitching it. Make up your mind.

>>279787
its lonely in here :\

Well I do believe my lighting after some screwing around is still atrocious.

Any guides on making particularly good lighting?